ERJ170 reports being given a short visual approach in tail wind conditions resulting in an overshoot and an unstabilized approach. Reporter believes that insufficient training for visual approaches is provided by the company.

2011-11 · NASA ASRS report 984038

Date: 2011-11 · Aircraft: EMB ERJ 170/175 ER/LR · Phase: approach

Anomalies: deviation-track-heading-all-types|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-published-material-policy|inflight-event-encounter-unstabilized-approach

Synopsis

ERJ170 reports being given a short visual approach in tail wind conditions resulting in an overshoot and an unstabilized approach. Reporter believes that insufficient training for visual approaches is provided by the company.

Narrative

Upon base to final leg with Approach Control we were the last aircraft to land 30R before they switched the field to 12 L/R. We were given a very short approach and left high. After turning base leg for 30R I noticed we had a 20 KT tail wind at that time. We were fast approaching on a 90 degree intercept going about 210 KTS for 30R. The First Officer brought this to my attention. I had already had gear out with flaps one just to slow and descend at the same time. As I started the base to final it was apparent we were going to shoot through final for 30R. I was hand flying at the time and steepened the bank to come around. We then got a bank angle caution from the airplane upon which I stated correcting. Tower saw us what appeared to be lined up for 30L but then said I see you coming around for 30R. I was not on speed by 1;000 FT but was in full configuration. We landed with out incident. I was just worried because I had over shoot final by so much. I have noticed this a lot out on the line. We are left high and tight for a visual approach. This aircraft is so slick it will not descend and slow at the same time. It is pretty much one or the other. I have noticed a lot of new first officers and sometimes my self included are lacking proficiency on visual approaches. I do not like that they changed the requirements to be on speed and configured by 1;000 FT in visual conditions. We are often left high and fast and told to do 190 to 210 KTS until 5 to 6 miles out for traffic. In my opinion we do not do enough visual approaches in training or for that mater even talk about then. It's kind of a new concept when you are first introduced to visual approaches coming out of training. As for me blowing through final so bad it was just poor planning on my part all around. I had no Idea the wind was going to be that strong on the base leg to final. I just have to have a better situational awareness next time.

Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.

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